BLOGS: Politics Sports Business Schools Entertainment Health Inside Mann Outdoors Scanner
    • Local News
    • Blogs
    • Contests
    • Calendar
    • Announcements
    • Web cam
  • News
    • Local
    • Northwest
    • Nation
    • World
    • On Patrol
    • Traffic Cams
    • Forums
  • Sports
    • High schools
    • Colleges
    • NFL
    • MLB
    • NHL
    • NBA
    • Motorsports
    • Outdoors
    • CONTESTS
  • Business
    • Biz Blog
    • Business Registrations
    • Whatcom County Stocks
    • Whatcom Business Notes
    • Technology
  • Opinion
    • Letters to the editor
    • Submit letter
    • Forums
  • Entertainment
    • Calendar
    • Movies
    • Dining
    • GOBham
    • Horoscopes
    • Sudoku
    • Contests
    • Pets
  • Photos
    • Today in Photos
    • News
    • Sports
    • entertainment
    • Watch Video
    • Submit Video
    • Submit Photos
  • Obituaries
    • Place an obituary
    • Read national obituaries
  • Shop
    • Coupons
    • Search Newspaper Ads
    • Place an Ad
    • Promote Your Product
    • Deal Saver
  • Jobs
  • Autos
  • Real Estate
    • View Open Houses
    • Relocation Guide
    • Search apartments
  • Classifieds
    • Place an Ad
« Correction Watch: Melious says she doesn’t support stormwater fee
Bellingham Mayor Dan Pike is reporter on the ground at Obama rally »

Whatcom County Administration: Keep salary talks for union employees secret

Tweet
October 21st, 2010 10 AM PST by Sam Taylor - The Bellingham Herald

Whatcom County Deputy Administrator Dewey Desler stopped County Council members from discussing their concerns with the wages of the county’s unionized staff saying it needed to happen in a closed-to-the-public executive session.

It came right after County Councilman Bill Knutzen said the county should have more flexibility in who they choose to layoff if necessary and once Councilwoman Barbara Brenner started wondering about requested wage freezes County Executive Pete Kremen’s administration has made of unions.

The county’s largest unionized group, which represents more than half of Whatcom County government employees, is Teamsters 271. They’ve been pretty blunt that they’re concerned over requests the executive has made.

It’s somewhat odd that Desler wants the discussion to be done in secret now, since he and the executive already shared various requests they’ve made of the union — not in negotiations, but just a discussion, since the contract is not open right now and the union doesn’t have to negotiate if it doesn’t want to.

The union’s representative, Chuck Eggert, also confirmed the various requests the executive has made.

That includes potential furlough days, wage freezes and more.

Now, Desler doesn’t want the County Council to share their own thoughts on those requests, apparently, in public.

As I said, I’m a bit unclear why the public doesn’t have a right to know what the thoughts of the council is in terms of the various cost-saving strategies the administration is discussing — and publicly prior to this with a reporter.

In what way will taxpayer money be protected if the council doesn’t share their thoughts publicly?

Meanwhile, Council Chairman Sam Crawford noted for the audience (and looking my way), they do intend to discuss elected officials salaries in public, though that’s not happening at this time as they’re currently in departmental budget details.

Back to Knutzen’s brief comments, before the administration stopped the council:

“With the current negotiations with the labor unions (Sam’s note: The major union contract is not open with Teamsters), as we have to do more with less folks, is there a way we could get something in there, instead of seniority-level layoffs, of performance-based layoffs?” Knutzen said.

Then Human Resources Director Karen Goens said that the union contract isn’t open, so there is technically no negotiation going on.

“In the current economic climate I would expect a little flexibility from the unions while we try to preserve their jobs,” Knutzen responded.

Meanwhile, other unions are still pushing back, including the Whatcom County Deputy Sheriff’s Guild, which has said in a letter to a mediator the county hired, that they won’t agree to more concessions.

Guild President Steve Harris shared the letter with me earlier in the week. In the letter to mediator Bob Braun of Braun Consulting, Harris noted that the Sheriff’s Office hired three previously-frozen positions and was authorized to hire a frozen lieutenant position. Those additions “totally negate” the savings made from collective bargaining with the guild, Harris argued. He’s displeased with that.

While the Guild is always interested in participating in discussions related to reducing costs and saving jobs, we have no desire to further reduce our wages and/or benefits to help subsidize the cost of Sheriff’s Office management positions. While we welcome the decision of our elected officials to fill currently frozen positions within the Sheriff’s Office, we feel they should be willing to put that “cost” on all of the taxpayers of Whatcom County, not just the employees.

Desler has noted previously that the county law enforcement has one of the highest ratios of deputies to citizens in the state, and that a massive amount of hires have occurred in recent years, despite the recession.

But Harris argued in his letter that while the ratio of deputies to residents is high, the amount of land area they have to cover somewhat does away with that argument.

“A reallocation of resources within the Sheriff’s Office would not only save the taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars, but also put the resources where they’re most needed…responding to calls for service,” he said.

You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. Both comments and pings are currently closed.

Copyright 2010 The Bellingham Herald. All Rights Reserved.

7 Responses to “Whatcom County Administration: Keep salary talks for union employees secret”

  1. Todd2 Says:
    October 21st, 2010 at 12:26 PM

    “I’m a bit unclear why the public doesn’t have a right to know what the thoughts of the council is in terms of the various cost-saving strategies the administration is discussing — and publicly prior to this with a reporter.”

    When are going to sit down with Desler and ask him this?

  2. Sam Taylor Says:
    October 21st, 2010 at 1:19 PM

    When are going to sit down with Desler and ask him this? —Todd

    Likely not today, Todd, as they’re in budget discussions all day.

    This isn’t the first time I’ve argued with this administration — and County Council members — about closed meetings on employee salary issues. Part of the reason why they now discuss elected official salaries in public is because of the articles I’ve written on the topic.

  3. Mary Says:
    October 21st, 2010 at 2:18 PM

    I don’t remember all the details, but collective bargaining is allowed to be held in Executive Session under the Open Public Meetings Act. It is considered one of the few legally allowable “exceptions” to the rule. Employer-employee situations are also allowed to be discussed in Executive session. However, I do know that at least elected officials, and some public department head salaries are public. I don’t know legally if that is after they are set or not. Perhaps someone else does, and will comment.

  4. Sam Taylor Says:
    October 21st, 2010 at 2:24 PM

    Mary, collective bargaining is absolutely allowed in executive session — obviously designed that way to protect taxpayers, so as to maximize the benefit from these contracts to obtain the best services at the most reasonable price for those services.

    The state’s Open Public Meetings Act, however, also states:

    discussion by a governing body of salaries, wages, and other conditions of employment to be generally applied within the agency shall occur in a meeting open to the public

    Read that, right here.

    The Attorney General’s Office has stated they believe that the county has misused executive sessions in the past on these issues (and I believe that the State Auditor’s Office also raised concerns about this, but because there were no notes on the meetings, they couldn’t say for sure what the overall issue was — by the way, the SAO knew about those meetings, again, because of my articles).

    The county’s lawyers argue that there’s no way for them to have discussions like this in public without it impacting collective bargaining.

    I gotta be honest, I appreciated Bill Knutzen actually stating his mind in an open public session. He simply shared what his vision for government should be, as an elected official.

    I don’t think that should be secret.

  5. Mary Says:
    October 21st, 2010 at 7:44 PM

    Thanks for the clarification and the additional information Sam. I appreciate it!

  6. Joe Says:
    October 21st, 2010 at 8:26 PM

    Visions of the future of govrernment couod be written and pledged and supported as a re-electin commrntry is fluff candidate HIstory. But the cutting gov’t private contracts and public sercices are choices they are made in executiver sessiuons of the parties involved. Public session meetings
    should be used to FOR PUBLIC information requests FOR finding outr overnment involvement. ALL contracted concessions should be done in the private sessions with private agreenevts made public once the ratification prpocess is complete. It is just the fasir way to resolve the issues,

  7. Todd2 Says:
    October 21st, 2010 at 10:11 PM

    Thanks Sam. The citizens of Whatcom County are truly fortunate that you take your watchdog role seriously.

    Politics blog
    By Jared Paben and John Stark
    Welcome to The Bellingham Herald's Politics Blog, where we cover politics and politically charged current events. Reporters John Stark and Jared Paben write for the blog.

    Stark joined The Bellingham Herald in 1981, left to pursue parenting and teaching in 1989, and returned in 2000. He has a New Jersey birth certificate.

    Paben has been a reporter for The Bellingham Herald since fall 2006, covering growth, transportation and other topics. He also writes for The BellinghamHerald's Traffic Talk blog. Before coming here, he worked for The Spokesman-Review in Spokane, Wash., and various Oregon newspapers. He earned a bachelor's degree in journalism from the University of Oregon in 2006. He grew up in the town of Creswell, Ore., which is just south of Eugene, Ore., along Interstate 5.

    We appreciate your participation on the blog. We encourage expressions of opinion, rebuttals and criticism. To ensure everybody is comfortable participating and commenting on posts, we ask that readers refrain from posting personal attacks, and from bantering back and forth with one another, off-topic. We also strongly encourage people to use their real names when posting comments, just as we do.

    We provide no guarantee of anonymity. Public officials and political candidates should not use this forum to promote themselves or attack political opponents anonymously.

    Thanks for reading!
    Get Top Stories via Twitter Follow on Twitter: bhampolitics
    SEARCH
  • Categories

  • Recent Comments

    • what is an interior decorator on Electronic gambling machine bill gets a look in Washington legislature
    • MiddleMichael on Bob Ferris declines to elaborate on his departure from RE Sources
    • hot tv show review on House passes bill giving councils, not mayors, ability to object to liquor licenses
    • John Galt on Bob Ferris declines to elaborate on his departure from RE Sources
    • SA on Here’s what a counterfeit treasury bond looks like. Do not reproduce
  • LOCAL BLOGS

    • Adventures o’a Bhammer
    • Against The Leviathan
    • Armies of Compassion
    • Bellingham Politics and Economics
    • Birch Bay Blog
    • Brown Eyed Girl
    • Clearly Conservative
    • Confessions of a Post-Oklahoman
    • Eye on Whatcom
    • Ferndale and Beyond
    • Fish & Bicycles
    • FourthCorner
    • Get Whatcom Planning
    • HamsterTalk
    • Hangin’ in the ‘Ham
    • Latte Republic
    • Lummi Island Ferry Forum
    • Meneltarma
    • Neighborhood Schools Coalition
    • NorwestReview
    • NWCitizen
    • Politics Unspun
    • Socialist Alternative Whatcom County
    • The Parkenfarker Group
    • The Whatcom Excavator
    • Twilight Zoning
    • Wally Wonders Why
    • Washington Outsiders
  • LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS

    • B’ham TEA Party
    • League of Women Voters
    • Washington Eagle Forum
    • Whatcom County Democrats
    • Whatcom County Republicans
  • OLD BLOG ARCHIVE

    • CLICK HERE
  • OPEN GOVERNMENT

    • Local Open Government
    • No Leaky Buckets
    • Open-Government Blog
    • Unredacted
    • Washington Coalition for Open Government
  • OTHER WASHINGTON MEDIA BLOGS

    • Adam Wilson Blog - The Olympian
    • Capitol Record - TVW
    • Eye on Olympia - The Spokesman-Review
    • Political Buzz - Tacoma News Tribune
    • Politics Northwest - The Seattle Times
    • Publicola
    • SeattlePostGlobe
    • Slog
    • Spin Control - Spokesman-Review
    • Strange Bedfellows - Seattle Post-Intelligencer
  • PUBLIC OFFICIALS' BLOGS

    • County Councilman Carl Weimer
    • County Councilman Ken Mann
  • WASHINGTON POLITICS SITES

    • Olympia Policy Watch - Washington Policy Center
    • Ridenbaugh Press
    • Schmudget - Washington Budget & Policy Center
    • Washington Votes
The Bellingham Herald
  • Terms of Use
  • Privacy Policy
  • About our ads
  • Copyright
  • About Bellingham Herald
  • About the McClatchy Company