Whatcom County Deputy Administrator Dewey Desler stopped County Council members from discussing their concerns with the wages of the county’s unionized staff saying it needed to happen in a closed-to-the-public executive session.
It came right after County Councilman Bill Knutzen said the county should have more flexibility in who they choose to layoff if necessary and once Councilwoman Barbara Brenner started wondering about requested wage freezes County Executive Pete Kremen’s administration has made of unions.
The county’s largest unionized group, which represents more than half of Whatcom County government employees, is Teamsters 271. They’ve been pretty blunt that they’re concerned over requests the executive has made.
It’s somewhat odd that Desler wants the discussion to be done in secret now, since he and the executive already shared various requests they’ve made of the union — not in negotiations, but just a discussion, since the contract is not open right now and the union doesn’t have to negotiate if it doesn’t want to.
The union’s representative, Chuck Eggert, also confirmed the various requests the executive has made.
That includes potential furlough days, wage freezes and more.
Now, Desler doesn’t want the County Council to share their own thoughts on those requests, apparently, in public.
As I said, I’m a bit unclear why the public doesn’t have a right to know what the thoughts of the council is in terms of the various cost-saving strategies the administration is discussing — and publicly prior to this with a reporter.
In what way will taxpayer money be protected if the council doesn’t share their thoughts publicly?
Meanwhile, Council Chairman Sam Crawford noted for the audience (and looking my way), they do intend to discuss elected officials salaries in public, though that’s not happening at this time as they’re currently in departmental budget details.
Back to Knutzen’s brief comments, before the administration stopped the council:
“With the current negotiations with the labor unions (Sam’s note: The major union contract is not open with Teamsters), as we have to do more with less folks, is there a way we could get something in there, instead of seniority-level layoffs, of performance-based layoffs?” Knutzen said.
Then Human Resources Director Karen Goens said that the union contract isn’t open, so there is technically no negotiation going on.
“In the current economic climate I would expect a little flexibility from the unions while we try to preserve their jobs,” Knutzen responded.
Meanwhile, other unions are still pushing back, including the Whatcom County Deputy Sheriff’s Guild, which has said in a letter to a mediator the county hired, that they won’t agree to more concessions.
Guild President Steve Harris shared the letter with me earlier in the week. In the letter to mediator Bob Braun of Braun Consulting, Harris noted that the Sheriff’s Office hired three previously-frozen positions and was authorized to hire a frozen lieutenant position. Those additions “totally negate” the savings made from collective bargaining with the guild, Harris argued. He’s displeased with that.
While the Guild is always interested in participating in discussions related to reducing costs and saving jobs, we have no desire to further reduce our wages and/or benefits to help subsidize the cost of Sheriff’s Office management positions. While we welcome the decision of our elected officials to fill currently frozen positions within the Sheriff’s Office, we feel they should be willing to put that “cost” on all of the taxpayers of Whatcom County, not just the employees.
Desler has noted previously that the county law enforcement has one of the highest ratios of deputies to citizens in the state, and that a massive amount of hires have occurred in recent years, despite the recession.
But Harris argued in his letter that while the ratio of deputies to residents is high, the amount of land area they have to cover somewhat does away with that argument.
“A reallocation of resources within the Sheriff’s Office would not only save the taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars, but also put the resources where they’re most needed…responding to calls for service,” he said.




October 21st, 2010 at 12:26 PM
“I’m a bit unclear why the public doesn’t have a right to know what the thoughts of the council is in terms of the various cost-saving strategies the administration is discussing — and publicly prior to this with a reporter.”
When are going to sit down with Desler and ask him this?
October 21st, 2010 at 1:19 PM
Likely not today, Todd, as they’re in budget discussions all day.
This isn’t the first time I’ve argued with this administration — and County Council members — about closed meetings on employee salary issues. Part of the reason why they now discuss elected official salaries in public is because of the articles I’ve written on the topic.
October 21st, 2010 at 2:18 PM
I don’t remember all the details, but collective bargaining is allowed to be held in Executive Session under the Open Public Meetings Act. It is considered one of the few legally allowable “exceptions” to the rule. Employer-employee situations are also allowed to be discussed in Executive session. However, I do know that at least elected officials, and some public department head salaries are public. I don’t know legally if that is after they are set or not. Perhaps someone else does, and will comment.
October 21st, 2010 at 2:24 PM
Mary, collective bargaining is absolutely allowed in executive session — obviously designed that way to protect taxpayers, so as to maximize the benefit from these contracts to obtain the best services at the most reasonable price for those services.
The state’s Open Public Meetings Act, however, also states:
Read that, right here.
The Attorney General’s Office has stated they believe that the county has misused executive sessions in the past on these issues (and I believe that the State Auditor’s Office also raised concerns about this, but because there were no notes on the meetings, they couldn’t say for sure what the overall issue was — by the way, the SAO knew about those meetings, again, because of my articles).
The county’s lawyers argue that there’s no way for them to have discussions like this in public without it impacting collective bargaining.
I gotta be honest, I appreciated Bill Knutzen actually stating his mind in an open public session. He simply shared what his vision for government should be, as an elected official.
I don’t think that should be secret.
October 21st, 2010 at 7:44 PM
Thanks for the clarification and the additional information Sam. I appreciate it!
October 21st, 2010 at 8:26 PM
Visions of the future of govrernment couod be written and pledged and supported as a re-electin commrntry is fluff candidate HIstory. But the cutting gov’t private contracts and public sercices are choices they are made in executiver sessiuons of the parties involved. Public session meetings
should be used to FOR PUBLIC information requests FOR finding outr overnment involvement. ALL contracted concessions should be done in the private sessions with private agreenevts made public once the ratification prpocess is complete. It is just the fasir way to resolve the issues,
October 21st, 2010 at 10:11 PM
Thanks Sam. The citizens of Whatcom County are truly fortunate that you take your watchdog role seriously.